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Army Group ‘Coming Out Of The Atheist Closet’

Sunday, April 3rd, 2011

The cliche notwithstanding, there are atheists in foxholes.

Nonbelievers at Fort Bragg launch effort to get recognition, equal treatment on base

In fact, atheists, agnostics, humanists and other assorted skeptics from the Army’s Fort Bragg have formed an organization in a pioneering effort to win recognition and ensure fair treatment for nonbelievers in the overwhelmingly Christian U.S. military.

“We exist, we’re here, we’re normal,” said Sgt. Justin Griffith, chief organizer of Military Atheists and Secular Humanists, or MASH. “We’re also in foxholes. That’s a big one, right there.”

For now, the group meets regularly in homes and bars outside of Fort Bragg, one of the biggest military bases in the country. But it is going through the long bureaucratic process to win official recognition from the Army as a distinct “faith” group.

That would enable it to meet on base, advertise its gatherings and, members say, serve more effectively as a haven for like-minded soldiers.

“People look at you differently if you say you’re an atheist in the Army,” said Lt. Samantha Nicoll, a West Point graduate who in January attended her first meeting of MASH. “That’s extremely taboo. I get a lot of questions if I let it slip in conversation.”

The decision on recognition goes first to an Army agency called the Installation Management Command and may be reviewed after that by the Army Chaplain Corps. Neither agency returned calls for comment.

Other U.S. military bases look on
MASH members said chaplains at Fort Bragg have been supportive of their effort.

Similar groups of non-theists at about 20 U.S. military bases around the world are watching the outcome at Fort Bragg in hopes it will lead to their recognition, too, said Jason Torpy, president of the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers.

MASH, whose name conjures the 1970s movie and sitcom about an Army field hospital in the Korean War, formed in January, partly in reaction to a concert called Rock the Fort that was sponsored by an evangelical Christian organization and held on base last fall.

Griffith, an atheist when he joined the Army 4 1/2 years ago, said he tried to organize an atheist festival but called it off because higher-ups were not providing the same support they had for the Christian event — a claim Fort Bragg officials deny.

Griffith said MASH has about 65 members among more than 57,000 active service members who live on and off the post. Bragg is the home of the 82nd Airborne Division and headquarters of the Army’s Green Berets.

Fort Bragg Garrison Commander Col. Stephen Sicinski disputed Griffith’s account of how the atheist concert came to be canceled but said the post is doing what it can to help Griffith win recognition for MASH. “He knows the procedures, he knows what the paper trail needs to look like, and we’re guiding him along in the process to see where that goes,” Sicinski said.

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Atheists vs. Believers

Sunday, July 4th, 2010

With the flourish, in recent years, of popular and widely accessible debates on this subject, the arguments coming from the theistic side have very quickly become predictable, stale, old, and even less convincing than they may have been the first time they were used.

This debate has to change. Theists – when all of your arguments have been debunked, and you keep spouting them anyway, congratulations – you’re not convincing anyone except the credulous and weak minded. Are you proud of that?

This debate ended a few decades ago. Everything that had been brought to the table then is what we’re still seeing being brought to the table now. What we “new” or “affirmative” atheists are doing is trying to knock some nails into the coffin so that this whole thing can be put to rest in what Sam Harris so eloquently calls “the vast graveyard of mythology”.

Theists – you simply must educate yourself before you go opening your mouth about all these tired old topics. Evolution. 20th century killers. The U.S. constitution. Atheism and atheists, and what it actually is that they DON’T believe. When you spout them- you get knocked down by the sheer force of facts. When you spout them and then get knocked down and then spout them again – I’m lost for words. Where is the virtue in that? Where? How can you be proud of that? How can you support others whom you see doing that?