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Praying To A Tree Trunk With Vincent Bugliosi

Monday, April 25th, 2011

One of the main things people pray for is peace. But there have already been trillions upon trillions of prayers for peace through the years, yet peace remains as elusive as mercury, as groups and factions and nations persist in warring viciously with each other, the violence continuing unabated.

Wouldn’t one think that people would finally come to the realization that either there’s no one up there listening to their prayers for peace, or if there is, he doesn’t have the power to stop the violence, or if he does, he has no desire to do so? That they may just as well be praying to a tree trunk?

I’ve been told there is some religious sect in the Himalayan Mountains that has been praying for peace, twenty-four hours a day in shifts, for more than five hundred years. Nuns of the Franciscan Sisters in La Crosse, Wisconsin, have been praying for world peace in thirty-minute rotating shifts twenty four hours a day in an unbroken chain of perpetual prayers dating back to 1878. Even a fire that reached the chapel doors in 1923 never stopped the nuns from praying inside.

When will the poor nuns and millions of others give up? How many more centuries are people going to have to pray and how many more trillions of prayers are they going to have to say before they wake up to the fact that no one is listening to their prayers? (I mean, if whoever is up there ignores even the pope when he prays for peace, and the pope is the spiritual leader of more than 1 billion Catholics and, per Catholicism, God’s chief representative on this earth, why would people think that God would listen to common folk like them?) Not only do they seem incapable of waking up to this fact, but they compound the idiocy of it all by always talking about “the power of prayer.”

How is it that in their daily lives, if these people who pray for peace ask someone to do something for them and they are turned down, they’d probably never ask again. And rarely would they ask a third time. But in praying to God for peace, these same people never give up, and they do this even with the realization and knowledge that there are and have been millions just like them saying prayers for peace to the same God for centuries. Why isn’t this type of behavior considered to be clinically psychotic? But far from being consigned to a diagnosis of psychosis, I have no doubt that these prayers will continue to be considered completely normal, even healthy, and will go on, as an old Indian treaty provided, “as long as the water flows and the wind blows and the grass grows.”

What could possibly be on the minds of the countless who never stop praying for peace in the world? Is this surreal praying without end a grand extrapolation of Jacob Riis’ Stonecutter Credo of the mason who hammers away at his rock, perhaps one hundred times without as much as a crack showing in it, but at the one hundred and first blow it splits in two, and he knows that it was not that blow that did it, but all that had gone before?

In other words, do these many millions of people praying for peace, think that their prayer for peace, which they remarkably say in all earnestness, will be the one out of the trillions already said down through the years that will finally be the one that breaks the camel’s back with God, that will cause him to say, “Okay, okay, I don’t need, any more prayers. I’ll give you your peace”? Or could they actually believe that God might respond solely and simply because they asked him and he might answer their prayer? Whichever of the two it is, you have to know this is not insanity. It’s beyond insanity. And this is why, though I’d love to approach these people and ask them why they praying for peace, I don’t because I’m afraid to go near them.

It’s hard to know which is a bigger mystery — people saying prayers for peace or people always immediately going to their churches to pray whenever there is a terrible tragedy, such as September 11, 2001, or Hurricane Katrina. I’m serious when I ask, What in the world do people pray about when a tragedy like 9/l1 or Katrina happens? Since God caused 9/l1 and Katrina, or allowed them to happen, I sincerely like to know what the national prayers during these tragedies are all about. (President Bush declared a national day of prayer after both 9/11 and Katrina.) Are people praying to the Lord beseeching him not to do this again or allow it to happen again? Or are they asking him to give them strength to stand the mental and emotional pain caused by the act he caused or allowed to happen? Or asking him to take care of those he just caused or allowed to be killed? I’m absolutely serious. What do the prayers say that could possibly make sense to a rational person? Whatever the prayers are, hasn’t God already shown by what he did or allowed to happen to these people that he couldn’t possibly care less about them? So why are people praying to him?

Frank Geer, a rector at St. Philip’s Church-in-the-Highlands in Garrison, New York, has tried, unsuccessfully, to make sense out of prayers in times like 9/l1. Geer worked at St. Lukes-Roosevelt Hospital in New York City counseling and comforting survivors of 9/l1. During a break in his work, he said he went to St. Paul’s chapel, a 250-year old Episcopal church that was a block from the World Trade Center devastation. In the book Where Was God on September 11? he says he prayed to God “first and foremost for all the people who had died. I prayed for their families, and I prayed for the workers who were risking their lives every day at the site that God would keep them safe.” Speaking of the churches, synagogues, and mosques that were overflowing with people after 9/l1, he remarks, “People wanted to be together with other human beings and with God. Going to church was a way to activate and amplify their sense of God … They wanted to be together with a force that cares about them, that cares for them. Religion [i.e., belief in God] was an incredible source of comfort for people” after 9/l1.

But of course I already knew that religion was a source of comfort for those praying to their God. My question is, How could this possibly be when the God they were praying to caused or allowed to happen the tragedy they were on their knees praying about? (If he didn’t, then he’s not the omnipotent God they believe him to be who can answer their prayers, and hence, why are they praying to him?) How can such numbing, staggering stupidity continue without end? Einstein once said that there are only two things that are infinite: the universe and the stupidity of man. And he added that he was unsure only of the former. With respect to people praying after a tragedy to a God who caused or allowed it, are we dealing here with an indelible, ineradicable, inerasable, inexpungible psychosis that can no more be removed than can the pigmentation of one’s skin? A psychosis that will stop only when the sun rises in the west? When Frenchmen stop drinking wine? Cervantes tells us that every dog has his day, but my God, when is this day ever going to end?

In recognizing the futility of prayer, people could learn from the destitute. They don’t pray. They beg.

The above is an excerpt from the book Divinity of Doubt: The God Question by Vincent Bugliosi

 

An Easter Message From Ricky Gervais – Why I’m A Good Christian

Friday, April 15th, 2011

From: rickygervais.com

The title of this one is a little misleading, or at least cryptic. I am of course not a good Christian in the sense that I believe that Jesus was half man, half God, but I do believe I am a good Christian compared to a lot of Christians.

It’s not that I don’t believe that the teachings of Jesus wouldn’t make this a better world if they were followed. It’s just that they are rarely followed.

Gandhi summed it up really. He said, “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

I have always felt this way, even when I believed in God, and in a weird way I feel I am still a pretty good “Christian” who doesn’t believe in God.

So many Christians think that because they believe in the right God, they are automatically good and have a one-way ticket to everlasting life. Dare I say it but I suspect this is their main reason for believing. I’ve heard so many “believers” say, “Well, since there is no way of being sure whether there is a God or not, it’s better to believe in God than not, because that way, if you’re wrong it doesn’t matter and if you’re right you get everlasting life.” Win:win.

This is of course Pascal’s Wager, which assumes that God if he exists would reward blind faith above logic and living a good life as an atheist.

To the Christians’ God by the way, it’s just as bad to believe in the wrong God as no God at all. The idea of other Gods is of course ridiculous to Christians. Supernatural poppycock. As if there was ever a Zeus; stupid, ancient, unenlightened superstition. And even if there are other Gods (which of course there aren’t) then the Christians’ God is the best. Hardest, smartest… just better. He would laugh at Zeus and call him a Greek bender. (I doubt that God is racist and homophobic but the Bible isn’t clear. Some bits go on about love and equality and others say you shouldn’t trust certain types and that laying down with a man as you would with a woman is punishable by death and is a bit sick and evil.)

So remember. If you are gay you are “Bumming for Satan” basically. (That would make quite a good T-shirt.)

Jesus was a man. (And if you forget all that rubbish about being half God, and believe the non-supernatural acts accredited to him, he was a man whose wise words many other men would still follow.) His message was usually one of forgiveness and kindness. These are wonderful virtues but I have seen them discarded by many so-called God-fearers when it suits them. They cherry pick from their “rulebook” basically. I have seen such cruelty and prejudice performed in the name of Christianity (and many other religions for that matter) that it makes me wonder if there has been a bit too much selective reading and reinterpretation of the doctrines.

God or not, if I could change one thing for a better world, it would be for all mankind to adhere to this little gem: “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” I assure you, no more stones would ever be thrown.

So maybe we should go back to basics to find out where it all got confused.


The Ten Commandments

The 10 Commandments are found in the Bible’s Old Testament; Exodus, Chapter 20.
They were given directly by God to the people of Israel at Mount Sinai after He had delivered them from slavery in Egypt:

“And God spoke all these words, saying: ‘I am the LORD your God.’”

So let’s take the test.
How many of these have you broken?

ONE
‘You shall have no other gods before Me.’ 

I definitely do not. Excellent. I get one point.

TWO
‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image – any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.’ 

This basically means don’t make or worship a religious statue or bow to it thinking that it’s holy. Tick. Another point to me.

THREE
‘You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.’ 

I never do. But let me explain something. Most people think that The Third Commandment means that they shouldn’t use his name as a swear word, e.g. shouting, “Oh God!” when they stub their toe instead of, “Oh Fuck!”
This is not the case (although I love the idea that God would rather them shout “Fuck” than “God”. That makes him cool in my book. But no.)
The commandment could equally be, You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in “vanity” e.g. when your enemy is hurt or defeated saying, “that’s God’s wrath,” or when you win an award saying, “thank God.” This is using his name in vanity. It’s suggesting that you KNOW that God helped you win that award because you deserved it more, or because he was on your side. It’s always tickled me that God would have a favourite actor at The Golden Globes.

Anyway I get another point. I think most non-atheists will lose a point here.

FOUR
‘Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.’ 

Before we score this we need to discover what it really means when God commands us to keep the Sabbath day holy. In understanding our answer, and the true intent of God’s word, it doesn’t matter what day of the week we celebrate the Sabbath. There were no calendars when God created the heavens and the earth so we don’t know what day he stated and ended. Don’t let the ‘day’ become more important than the ‘intent’.

If we look at the portion of The Ten Commandments which refers to this, Exodus 20:8-11, it seems to be very specific;
8 “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 “Six days you shall labour and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 10 “For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy. 11 “The Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

According to the Bible, God commanded us to keep it holy. But what does that really mean? Work is basically referring to that which we do to earn a living, or in working around the house, or any labour we participate in daily. So, if we never worked at all would that mean every day was holy? No. This absolutely is not being holy. In various places in the Bible we are told of our need to work, for in our work we honor God. So… basically you have to work for the equivalent of six days a week with a day off.

I do this. I get another point.

FIVE
‘Honour your father and your mother.’ 

I think I get a point if anyone does with this one.

SIX
‘You shall not murder.’ 

Nope. Tick.

SEVEN
‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 

Nope. Tick.

EIGHT
‘You shall not steal.’ 

Nope. Tick.

NINE
‘You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.’ 

Nope. Tick.

TEN
‘You shall not covet your neighbour’s house; you shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbour’s.’ 

Nope. Tick. Another point for me.


Not bad for an atheist.

I make that 10 out of 10.

How did you do?

Even if this doesn’t prove I am a good Christian it does prove that the Bible is a bit inconsistent, open to interpretation, and a little intolerant.

This is not peculiar to Christianity to be fair. And I like to be fair. Because unlike ALL religions, as an atheist, I treat ALL religions equally.

Atheist Teen Files Suit Over School’s Prayer Banner

Wednesday, April 6th, 2011

15 year old Jessica Alquist is sick and tired of the prayer banner hanging in her school’s assembly hall. She has joined the ACLU in a lawsuit against the city to have the unconstitutional banner removed.

Teenagers Speaking Up for Lack of Faith

Tuesday, April 5th, 2011

 

Last fall, Breane Lyga joined both the atheist club and a Christian group. “I wanted to get both points of view,” she said. She stopped attending the Christian meetings around Christmas.

Every other Wednesday, right after school at 2:45, the newest club at Rutherford High, the atheist club, meets in Room 13-211.

Last Wednesday, Jim Dickey, the president, started out by asking his fellow student atheists (there are a few agnostics, too) whether they wanted to put together an all-atheist Ultimate Frisbee team for a charity event.

“We can pay the entry fee from the club treasury,” said Michael Creamer, the atheists’ faculty adviser, who urged them to take part.

Club members discussed what to do about Faith Week. Rutherford High’s two Christian clubs will be sponsoring a series of before-school prayer circles around the flagpole this week, and several of the atheists felt a need to respond in some way. “We can set up informational tables near the flagpole and do our own speeches,” said Mr. Creamer, who suggested waiting a few weeks. “Remember, we’re not trying to be confrontational; this will be a counterpoint.”

Mr. Creamer, 47, an English teacher and longtime atheist who grew up in a family of Free Will Baptists, is constantly urging club members to “be friendly, put on those smiles — people don’t expect that from atheists.”

The Christians and atheists at Rutherford High get along better than some might expect. Joshua Mercer, a senior, who is president of Ignite, a Christian club, and Jim, the atheist president, are close friends. They love comparing philosophies, and giving each other a hard time. “We like to go to Taco Bell together,” Joshua said.

Still, he worries about Jim and the other atheists. “If they don’t accept Jesus Christ as a savior, they will definitely go to hell,” said Joshua, who rises at 4:30 each morning to readthe Bible with his grandmother.

Joshua believes there is still time for Jim. “Jim could change,” he said. “If he will accept Jesus in his heart, he has a free ride to heaven.”

There have long been college atheist clubs, and at present there are an estimated 240 nationwide, said J. T. Eberhard, 29, of the national Secular Student Alliance. But recently they have been springing up at high schools. In the last three months, the number has risen to 21 from 12, Mr. Eberhard said.

The alliance, which is based in Columbus, Ohio, provides support services to atheist organizations. Several months ago, the Stiefel Freethought Foundation donated $50,000, enabling Mr. Eberhard to organize full time at high schools. His target is 50 clubs by year’s end.

The federal law permitting extracurricular clubs to use public schools before and after hours was passed in 1984 after lobbying by conservative church groups. Bible study clubs grew fruitful and multiplied, replenishing the Christian faith throughout the land. Then things took a turn to the left. The law required equal access, and gay-straight clubs started popping up.

And now this.

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Army Group ‘Coming Out Of The Atheist Closet’

Sunday, April 3rd, 2011

The cliche notwithstanding, there are atheists in foxholes.

Nonbelievers at Fort Bragg launch effort to get recognition, equal treatment on base

In fact, atheists, agnostics, humanists and other assorted skeptics from the Army’s Fort Bragg have formed an organization in a pioneering effort to win recognition and ensure fair treatment for nonbelievers in the overwhelmingly Christian U.S. military.

“We exist, we’re here, we’re normal,” said Sgt. Justin Griffith, chief organizer of Military Atheists and Secular Humanists, or MASH. “We’re also in foxholes. That’s a big one, right there.”

For now, the group meets regularly in homes and bars outside of Fort Bragg, one of the biggest military bases in the country. But it is going through the long bureaucratic process to win official recognition from the Army as a distinct “faith” group.

That would enable it to meet on base, advertise its gatherings and, members say, serve more effectively as a haven for like-minded soldiers.

“People look at you differently if you say you’re an atheist in the Army,” said Lt. Samantha Nicoll, a West Point graduate who in January attended her first meeting of MASH. “That’s extremely taboo. I get a lot of questions if I let it slip in conversation.”

The decision on recognition goes first to an Army agency called the Installation Management Command and may be reviewed after that by the Army Chaplain Corps. Neither agency returned calls for comment.

Other U.S. military bases look on
MASH members said chaplains at Fort Bragg have been supportive of their effort.

Similar groups of non-theists at about 20 U.S. military bases around the world are watching the outcome at Fort Bragg in hopes it will lead to their recognition, too, said Jason Torpy, president of the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers.

MASH, whose name conjures the 1970s movie and sitcom about an Army field hospital in the Korean War, formed in January, partly in reaction to a concert called Rock the Fort that was sponsored by an evangelical Christian organization and held on base last fall.

Griffith, an atheist when he joined the Army 4 1/2 years ago, said he tried to organize an atheist festival but called it off because higher-ups were not providing the same support they had for the Christian event — a claim Fort Bragg officials deny.

Griffith said MASH has about 65 members among more than 57,000 active service members who live on and off the post. Bragg is the home of the 82nd Airborne Division and headquarters of the Army’s Green Berets.

Fort Bragg Garrison Commander Col. Stephen Sicinski disputed Griffith’s account of how the atheist concert came to be canceled but said the post is doing what it can to help Griffith win recognition for MASH. “He knows the procedures, he knows what the paper trail needs to look like, and we’re guiding him along in the process to see where that goes,” Sicinski said.

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Sam Harris – Do We Have the Right to Burn the Koran?

Saturday, April 2nd, 2011

The New York Times reported today that at least ten UN aid workers have been murdered by a Afghan mob. This senseless savagery occurred in Mazar-i-Sharif, “one of the most peaceful places in Afghanistan,” in response to news that a Florida pastor, Terry Jones, finally made good on his threat to burn a copy of the Koran. Pastor Jones and the members of his tiny congregation in Gainesville appear to be religious crackpots of the first order, but anyone tempted to condemn them for provoking this violence has lost the plot. As I wrote previously in defense of the Dutch politician Geert Wilders (“Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks”):

Wilders, like Westergaard and the other Danish cartoonists, has been widely vilified for “seeking to inflame” the Muslim community. Even if this had been his intention, this criticism represents an almost supernatural coincidence of moral blindness and political imprudence. The point is not (and will never be) that some free person spoke, or wrote, or illustrated in such a manner as to inflame the Muslim community. The point is that only the Muslim community is combustible in this way. The controversy over Fitna, like all such controversies, renders one fact about our world especially salient: Muslims appear to be far more concerned about perceived slights to their religion than about the atrocities committed daily in its name. Our accommodation of this psychopathic skewing of priorities has, more and more, taken the form of craven and blinkered acquiescence.

There is an uncanny irony here that many have noticed. The position of the Muslim community in the face of all provocations seems to be: Islam is a religion of peace, and if you say that it isn’t, we will kill you. Of course, the truth is often more nuanced, but this is about as nuanced as it ever gets: Islam is a religion of peace, and if you say that it isn’t, we peaceful Muslims cannot be held responsible for what our less peaceful brothers and sisters do. When they burn your embassies or kidnap and slaughter your journalists, know that we will hold you primarily responsible and will spend the bulk of our energies criticizing you for “racism” and “Islamophobia.”

Will moderate Muslims defend Pastor Jones’s right to burn the Koran?

Source: Sam Harris.org

 

Athiest Federation Blast Jedis

Thursday, March 10th, 2011

First signs that the purity of census results may be swayed by internet campaigning emerged this week, as the Twittersphere declared itself opposed to Jediism. Elsewhere, Jewish organisations were urging people to put themselves down as Jewish, in order to increase pressure for more Jewish faith schools.

Earlier this week, as the first census questionnaires were dropping through letterboxes, the British Humanist Association (BHA) launched its anti-religion campaign by declaring that “the figures on religion produced by the 2001 census gave a wholly misleading picture of the religiosity of the UK.”

In their view, the use of a flawed question, asking individuals “what is your religion?” distorts the true picture, by approximately cutting the number of non-religious people in half.

So, when Cory Doctorow, creative freedoms campaigner, author of Little Brother and co-editor of the massiveBoing Boing blog, tweeted yesterday that “we’re all going to put our religion down as Jedi”, the response was instantaneous.

A flurry of counter-tweets followed, with reaction typified by the likes of Andrew Carter, who tweeted: “NO! It screws up the demographics and makes it look like there are fewer ‘Non-religious’ than there are!”

Doctorow thought about it, and shortly after, his blog conceded an absolute about-turn. He wrote: “When I joked on Twitter that my family were going to list ourselves as Jedi, I was deluged with outraged responses from atheists asking me to tick the ‘no religion’ box; this is part of a larger campaign to get people who tick ‘Christian’ out of habit (though they have no faith) to switch to ‘no religion’ as well, as some atheists believe that the number of religious people in the UK is misreported through a combination of habitual box-ticking and smart-alecky ‘Jedi’ like me.” He concluded: “I’m convinced; we’re atheists and we will list ourselves as such.”

Strike one for the BHA, who themselves suffered a minor setback earlier this month when the Committee for Advertising Practice endorsed a ban by railway companies on the BHA’s proposed billboard campaign using the allegedly provocative headline “If you’re not religious, for God’s sake say so”.

The battle for the nation’s soul is definitely hotting up with the Board of Deputies of British Jews advising that “British Jews could miss out on funding and facilities in the coming years if community members fail to indicate their religion in next month’s census”.

At the same time, theology think tank Theos criticised the BHA’s campaign as “misconceived” and “unnecessary”. According to a report in Christian Today last week, Paul Bickley, senior researcher at Theos, congratulated the humanists on doing a good PR job but felt this campaign was “clearly a mistake”.

He said: “The campaign grossly exaggerates the extent to which the religious affiliation results of the 2001 census have shaped government policy or influenced spending decisions.

“In any case, the British people are quite capable of judging for themselves what box they should tick. They don’t need to be told.

“If the Archbishop of Canterbury were to launch a campaign pleading for people to tick the Christian box, it would be rightly ridiculed as a sign of desperation.

“I suspect that this is what may happen with this campaign, too.”

The argument looks set to continue, with the BHA now firmly aligned with the Dark Side – at least as far as the census goes.

Source: The Register

 

 

Atheist Census Posters Banned From Subway

Friday, March 4th, 2011

Three posters planned for display at railway stations as part of The Census Campaign have been refused by companies owning the advertising space, who viewed them as too likely to cause offence.

Two reasons were given by owners of the space: they were concerned that the use of the phrase ‘for God’s sake’ would cause widespread and serious offence and they also did not wish to take adverts relating to religion.

The BHA has reacted with astonishment that an everyday phrase should be deemed too contentious for public display.

‘It is a little tongue-in-cheek,’ BHA Chief Executive Andrew Copson commented, ‘but in the same way that saying “bless you” has no religious implication for many, “for God’s sake” is used to express urgency and not to invoke a deity. This censorship of a legitimate advert is frustrating and ridiculous: the blasphemy laws in England have been abolished but we are seeing the same principle being enforced nonetheless.’

The BHA also pointed out that the adverts were only tangentially related to religion, being mostly concerned with public policy and directed towards people who are not religious.

Mr Copson continued, ‘The Census Campaign is not intended to dissuade those who hold strong religious beliefs from holding them. We are asking people to be honest and if they are not religious, to say so. Ticking “No religion” means that their voices will be heard and we will have a more truthful picture of what people really believe today.’

Background Information:

Print-quality images of the three prohibited railway posters and a bus displaying the adverts that will appear from 4 March can be downloaded at www.humanism.org.uk/census-adverts

 

 

Preachers Who Don’t Believe in God

Monday, February 28th, 2011

Listen to the CBC’s Mary Hynes as she interviews a pastors who no longer believe in God but continue to preach.

A recent study from Tufts University tells the story of several pastors who no longer believe in God.  Most are still working in churches, still preaching sermons, and still counseling the faithful.  They are isolated and, in some cases, unable to confide even in their own families, for fear of what their newfound disbelief may do to their relationships.

We will speak with two pastors who took part in the study, as well as hear from Daniel Dennett,  professor of philosophy and co-director of the Center for Cognitive Studies at Tufts University.  He is co-author of the Preachers Who Are Not Believers.

You can read the study here.

Daniel Dennett and his co-authorLinda LaScola are pursuing follow-up research. Clergy who are interested in participating can contact them through Dr. Dennett’s website.

For more perspectives on this story, visit the Washington Post’s On Faith
website
.

 

 

Atheists Battle for High School Clubs

Friday, February 25th, 2011

Gay and lesbian kids are still bullied and harassed in schools and they have to fight to get access to gay/straight alliances where they can get support and camaraderie.

Often, opposition to such clubs is based in religion—as was the fight over a GSA in Irmo, South Carolina. The principal of Irmo High School, Eddie Walker, eventually resigned over the club, later saying he opposed it because he views “the world from a biblical perspective and my view of that was that it was wrong.”

Gays and lesbians are not alone in their battle for high school clubs. Next up: atheists.

The Secular Student Alliance, which promotes atheism and humanism with chapters at more than 200 colleges, is sending in reinforcements for teen free-thinkers—a push to launch 50 new high school clubs. Godless teens want the same social benefits that evangelical teens find at the annual “See you at the pole” flagpole prayer events at thousands of schools every September, and the court-sanctioned afterschool Bible clubs, and Christian, Jewish and Muslim student groups.

School administrators have reacted much the way they did to gay and lesbian groups. The groups faced hurdle after hurdle, one was even called a “hate group,” and a faculty sponsor was told that supporting the group would be a “bad career move.”

But this opposition has only steeled the will of many students, including 18-year-old Brian Lisco, a senior at Stephen Austin High School in the Houston suburbs. The school offered a compromise—call it a Philosophy Club and drop any affiliation with the Secular Student Alliance. He refused.

“We atheists are already invisible—we don’t come out. That’s a form of repression in itself. It’s about getting pushed to the margin of our community.”

As a Christian lesbian, all I can say is, welcome to the margins, Brian. Margins can make for some strange bedfellows. We may not agree on God’s existence, but it’s always nice to have more allies in the battle to end repression of any kind.

Source: ReligionDispatches.org